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    The psychological stuff isn't as easy to sort out. Mike has thought it over in depth and seems to be a bit mixed up about it all in his own mind.

    Yup, he's got lots of time to ride. But I'm still working, and he doesn't have a regular riding buddy other than me. He says it's less interesting and a little lonely to ride solo.

    Most of the prime routes in these parts, while lovely, are very well known to us. We've done 'em so often that he feels it gets a little repetitive.

    Then there's the effort it takes to gear up. That sounds very silly as I write it. But it's true, because we adhere to ATGATT. (Or at least I do, and he mostly does.) If you're really not excited about riding, and there's nobody waiting to go with you, putting on all that stuff and going over roads you know like the back of your hand could seem not worth the trouble.

    I'll leave aside the fact that the Vaquero -- a bike he really loves -- tips the scale at almost 900 pounds and is a top-heavy booger. I seem to be the only one who thinks Mike would benefit from a lighter bike. (I'll add that he has ridden my CTX several times, and it doesn't excite him.)

    The main thing is possibly this: Mike doesn't feel like riding is a challenge anymore. He has, after all, been riding on and off since his 20s (whereas I didn't take it up until 15 years ago).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodswoman View Post
    If you're really not excited about riding, and there's nobody waiting to go with you, putting on all that stuff and going over roads you know like the back of your hand could seem not worth the trouble.
    Add dealing with major metropolitan area traffic (I'm in San Francisco) and I think it gets worse.

    I've got very few street miles since racing was always my focus. But the bike-friendly/fun roads that I can get to have all got 40-60 minutes minimum of major freeway traffic between me and them, or if not (like Highway 1 down the coast) they are narrow and prone to a fair amount of tourist traffic as well as local traffic.

    If a four hour ride has at least two hours of "seems like rush hour most of the day" traffic my incentive drops. If the weather is anything less than decent it drops some more.

    I have to admit that with the amount of distracted drivers on the road I'm less than keen to go riding by myself, I'd like to have someone along to socialize with at the stops and call for help if some clown punts me off the road and drives on never noticing that action.

    Could Mike get a moto-boost by doing more wrenching/fiddling time? I bought my CTX as a project bike, and I can spend lots of time thinking/designing/making things and feel like it was a successful day (or middle of the night) of motorcycle activity without doing any riding at all. If I get it done (the destination) then I'll look forward to seeing how it works, but in the meantime fiddling, not riding, makes up the "journey" part of the trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Moore View Post
    Could Mike get a moto-boost by doing more wrenching/fiddling time? I bought my CTX as a project bike, and I can spend lots of time thinking/designing/making things and feel like it was a successful day (or middle of the night) of motorcycle activity without doing any riding at all. If I get it done (the destination) then I'll look forward to seeing how it works, but in the meantime fiddling, not riding, makes up the "journey" part of the trip.

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    I have been riding since I was 14 years old and still look forward to the weekend when I can take off and clear my mind of all of the crap I have to deal with on a weekly bases. Even if it’s the same old trail I usually follow. It’s the closest thing to meditation I have ever found and have done my best thinking or problem solving while mindlessly riding around not talking to anyone and just operating the machine. Einstein was said to have come to his best thoughts staring out the window of his office thinking about nothing. Maybe he needs to go the other way. There are plenty of smaller and older bikes on Craigs List that need a little love to be refurbished and are a blast to ride. Sometimes riding the old technology is way more fun than the new and a lot less expensive and I agree with Michael Moore that fiddling with the bike is more than half the fun. I am currently rearranging my “ Dash Trash” volt meter , temp gauge , tire temp/psi gauge and GPS to all fit unobtrusively up front to look like it was designed to be there. Also working on green led strip lights to attach to my Madstad shield mount to let me know to shut off the turn signals properly. I know there is a cure for that but spent my allowance on the GPS. Strategizing on how to most cost efficiently upgrade my bike to my liking takes my mind off thinking of the real world serious problems I am tired of constantly thinking of.
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    From your posts, it sounds more like you feel he's dealing with depression. You may want to consider a different type of talk with him and maybe get him to visit his Physician. I see this a lot with my clients when they retire and the other one still works. After 40 or more years in a life pattern then having it change dramatically can be tough on both partners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtvic View Post
    From your posts, it sounds more like you feel he's dealing with depression. You may want to consider a different type of talk with him and maybe get him to visit his Physician. I see this a lot with my clients when they retire and the other one still works. After 40 or more years in a life pattern then having it change dramatically can be tough on both partners.
    Thank you for this very kind thought, mtvic. I appreciate it -- and agree there's a grain of truth in what you say.

    It's more likely in Mike's case to be boredom rather than full-on depression. He has an extremely intelligent and agile mind, and used to get a lot of satisfaction out of his career (color systems analyst for an international copier company). For the first couple of years after he retired, he had the best of both worlds, because he did some part-time consulting work. But that dried up. And his specialized job skill simply doesn't translate into anything he could spin up into a side job or volunteer gig here in the boondocks.

    He has tried out and pursued quite a few new interests in the last few years, and I encourage all of them. I figure that's the least I can do considering it'll be years yet before I earn my retirement and can join him. Not to mention my job pays for the motorcycle parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodswoman View Post
    At dinner tonight, he said, "If on my next birthday I was going to be 64 instead of 74, things might be different."

    The whole problem is the price tag. This bike would cost more than the last car he bought.
    I just posted a vid link in the Bar with a terrific article on a 91 yr old rider enjoying life. Across 11 to 20 years, $26 K plus maint. costs is not as bad as all that.

    Saw a reviewer who took his wife 2-up on a 2-day test of the new GW, forced the whole trip to one day because of approaching weather, and did not have any negatives about the long time in the saddle, that says something.

    He also was disappointed even his wife's small helmet could not fit in the side-bag. Now that's not where the helmet belongs, but the size for other things the GW has been known ready to carry at that price tag is an issue there. If I'm paying Cadillac prices I want more than a cup-holder or two.

    +1 checking out things like a CTX700 or CTX1300 (it's gotta come back around sometime) or even the Kawi sport-bagger for around 15K. Anything with a slipper clutch and shift assist is going to help a lot in the left wrist department.

    +1 finding a reason for not going out, and making sure the new bike addresses that at least a little.

    + good luck,
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    I can understand that Woodswoman. The good news is (if you went to the dealer I am thinking of) the demo Goldwing will be for sell come 9/18, used but new. So Mike can put his name on the list of buyers now and be the 1st one to make a offer on it. Maybe new but used will be just what he is looking for.

    Good luck to you and Mike. I may be up your way come spring, maybe we could get a ride in together. Would be great if Mike could show me some good riding roads, plus I would love to meet you guys.

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    I think I can kind of understand how he feels. I’ve been retired for four years and I’m extremely busy with hobbies, projects, great family, friends and a charity, however there are times where I just get up and wonder exactly what I’m gonna do today. And I do think it’s boredom, but after you’ve been in business or any type of career, and have received accomplishments and successes, retirement can seem rather “Flat” at times. Until you are retired, you can’t understand how anybody could die early, but once you do, you kind of understand it… If you don’t make moves to counter it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodswoman View Post
    Thank you for this very kind thought, mtvic. I appreciate it -- and agree there's a grain of truth in what you say.

    It's more likely in Mike's case to be boredom rather than full-on depression. He has an extremely intelligent and agile mind, and used to get a lot of satisfaction out of his career (color systems analyst for an international copier company). For the first couple of years after he retired, he had the best of both worlds, because he did some part-time consulting work. But that dried up. And his specialized job skill simply doesn't translate into anything he could spin up into a side job or volunteer gig here in the boondocks.

    He has tried out and pursued quite a few new interests in the last few years, and I encourage all of them. I figure that's the least I can do considering it'll be years yet before I earn my retirement and can join him. Not to mention my job pays for the motorcycle parts.
    Woodswoman, this thread resonates with all of us over-70 retirees....It highlights the mind vs body struggles that come with aging. My wife is still working also, and I'm keenly aware that she is now the breadwinner. I do have to fight the feelings of inadequacy, even though I know she doesn't feel that way.

    My wife also encouraged me to get back into motorcycling to get my enthusiasm and activity in the positive direction. I applaud you for your sensitivity to Mike's situation, and send you both warm thoughts for the future.

    Spring is coming....Ride safe,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJC View Post
    The good news is (if you went to the dealer I am thinking of) the demo Goldwing will be for sell come 9/18, used but new. So Mike can put his name on the list of buyers now and be the 1st one to make a offer on it. Maybe new but used will be just what he is looking for.
    Dutchess Rec in Poughkeepsie. Their sales guy was smart enough to remember that Mike had phoned a few months back to inquire about availability; he called a few days ago and mentioned they'd uncrated their first one.

    The 'Wing they had stuffed and mounted wasn't the right trim line, but ... do you know whether they offer test rides, MJ?? I've not encountered any metric dealer in New York State that does.
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