Join Today
Thanks Thanks:  3
Likes Likes:  11
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 17
  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    Fort Lauderdale
    Posts
    61

    Next time someone says the CTX DCT is a bike for beginners/old men/scooter......

    As I sit here watching the last five hours of the Rolex 24 hour in Daytona, and look down the entire roster, EVERY car is running a DCT of some sort, and is a shifted/paddle transmission, no clutch…so much for auto tranny’s being a beginner/novice thing....the Acura’s (Honda) from the Roger Penske team have been doing well......

    http://autoweek.com/article/imsa/rol...anding-classes

    Playing now on Fox sports 2 (FS2)
    Last edited by Glen e; 01-28-2018 at 07:06 AM.
    Glen
    2016 CTX DCT
    2015 PCX 150

  2. Thanks Woodswoman thanked for this post
    Likes kujawskir liked this post
  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Ventura or Shanghai
    Posts
    98
    I just tell people, if it's good enough for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, and McLaren, then I figure it is good enough for my motorcycle...

  4. Thanks Woodswoman thanked for this post
    Likes kujawskir, Novac18, Epic Trekkrr liked this post
  5. #3
    Senior Member Woodswoman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Location
    Northern Catskill Mountains, upstate New York
    Posts
    297
    Quite the double standard, isn't there? I've never had anybody question my choice of a car with an automatic tranny in it, but I've gotten more than a few raised eyebrows for having gone from a manually-shifted motorbike to the DCT.
    2014 Honda CTX700ND, "Flicker"
    ------------------------------------------------
    [SIZE="1"]Former rides
    Cruisers: Victory Cross Roads, Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic, Suzuki Boulevard C50, Suzuki Marauder 800
    Scooters: Suzuki Burgman 650, Suzuki Burgman 400, Honda Elite 80[/SIZE]

  6. Likes kujawskir liked this post
  7. #4
    Senior Member ponydrvr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Louisville, KY, USA
    Posts
    144
    The only ones I've gotten negative feed back from were some HD drivers and a mess of scooter riders I used to ride with regularly. Mostly what I get is questions about how does it work, is it reliable, How many gears does it have, and of course, how fast will it go. And some question if it is as good as a manual tranny. I simply respond that in the 50,000+ plus miles I've ridden it I have yet to miss a shift or stall on a hill or taking off anywhere.

    On a personal note the only wish I have is for more effective engine braking.

  8. Likes kujawskir liked this post
  9. #5
    Member kujawskir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Carlisle, PA
    Posts
    33
    Quote Originally Posted by ponydrvr View Post

    On a personal note the only wish I have is for more effective engine braking.
    Color me interested, since mine's manual but if/when we step up to the GW it will probably be a DCT:

    I thought you could paddle down a gear or two for engine braking? I also thought it would revert to auto when you throttle back up, does it also revert on its own early enough to limit the usefulness of engine braking?

  10. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts
    156
    I use this feature in D or S alot. In say 6th. Getting off the freeway exit. Still doing maybe 60.start rolling off the throttle, it goes down to 5th. Hit the curve, tap down to 3rd or even second, engine braking now. Out of the curve and merging and the dct start up the shift again like normal. I never once touched the brakes.

  11. #7
    Senior Member ponydrvr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Louisville, KY, USA
    Posts
    144
    Sorry for the confusion. Yes I do paddle down for engine braking. And it works. I have often gone down two gears and even three gears and almost always in S mode. I look for more engine braking when riding twisties - not in normal driving scenarios. I probably push the limits a bit to close when I get into the Smokies and some even around here. I have found engine braking to be better than rear braking in hairpins and tight decreasing radius turns. If the engine could somehow produce a higher resistance when the throttle is off is what I am looking for. It's just the way I ride.

  12. Likes casper, kujawskir liked this post
  13. #8
    Senior Member randy1149's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Yonkers, 15 miles north of NYC.
    Posts
    543
    Automatic tranny on motorcycles probably carries the negative opinions from the same poo poo'ers from time gone past when automatics where being built. The noise comes from people doing all the negatives that they don't even have one.

    Wait till the GW gets into the streets with it's 7 speed DCT? It'll blow away the manual 6 speed in just about all transmission categories.

    And some of those up scale $200,000 sports cars don't have manual transmissions anymore... they're all DCT.

  14. #9
    Member mtvic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    N. of Tampa Bay, FL
    Posts
    54
    When I ride twistys I'm always in S gear, and still brake and usually double shift just before the turn. In tight turns I almost always paddle shift down twice to get into higher rpms for torque and possible needed braking. a lot of times I'm in 2nd, longer wider turns 3rd. After a few turns the bike seems to learn and stays in gear longer and love it. Some times I'm shifting back up before the bike does. If really long turn I know where it wants to shift back up and usually where I'm through the apex and adding throttle anyway so no issue. Rarely do I throw it into manual, which is still fun. Rode the same way on clutch bikes, and it helped big bikes stay upright in turns due to gyroscopic effects. I imagine no different on a pancake engine. I don't ride fast, but got to say adding floor boards to the ctx reduces lean. Floor boards are factory on my NM4, it's lower, and it seems to leans further.

    I have a mini cooper and do the same thing. Paddle shift while in automatic. It's become "old school" for me.
    2014 CTX 700 dct
    2016 NM4

  15. #10
    Senior Member MJC's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Mid Hudson Valley, 60 miles N of NYC
    Posts
    382
    The sad part about the DCT is people who just do not get it. It is not a beginner/novice thing (but can be), it is a performance up grade in the clutch/shifting area.

    To get the most out of the DCT, you have to know, how to ride a manual, real good, then add the DCT and now you have true performance.

    Honda started the marketing off as the CTX700 was a great beginner bike, with or without DCT. Honda should have said the CTX700 can be up graded by adding the DCT, but instead packaged all the CTX700 the same.

    With any automatic (car/bike) with paddle shift, most will not use the paddles just keep it in "D" (some may try "s" mode) and go. Sad, they will never know what they are missing.

    Anyone remember Mazda, Zoom-Zoom? Fun to drive, part (if not all) of that was automatic trans with paddle/floor shifting........20 or so years later just about all cars, trucks, have it. But now how many people say there car/truck is fan to drive? Being a Mazda owner I do....being a CTX700 DCT owner I do.

    Getting back to.."EVERY car is running a DCT of some sort, and is a shifted/paddle transmission, no clutch…". Like I said it is a "performance up grade".

    Randy said "Wait till the GW gets into the streets with it's 7 speed DCT?". I can't, I have a test ride coming up in February. My Review/test will be in part for Honda, but mostly for me. I know I can not afford that bike but who knows I may win one. lol.

  16. Thanks Woodswoman thanked for this post

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •