Getting more people

Steven

Member
I was thinking about getting more people from the other site to come here. I know some people have sent PM's to do that, and it's worked for a few people. I was thinking about using the forum to invite everyone. I know that those posts would be deleted almost instantly, but it could help the message get out. There's not a lot wrong with the other forums except for the moderators, but the question I need to ask is what would you folks say to these people to get them to come here?
 

Woodswoman

Member
Just my 2 cents: I would not post any sort of invitation on the public portions of the VerticalScope-owned forum. It'll be deleted in a flash, and thus won't be seen widely by the membership. And you might be banned for your trouble.

Moreover, it'll get the moderators' backs up (even further). So what gain?

If you want to be "chill" and work from the inside by private message, just tell your recipients that the atmosphere here is non-judgmental and that management is laid back. You're not overtly bashing, yet the recipient can read between the lines.
 

randy1149

New member
I agree with Woodswoman. When this forum started getting legs I PM'd a few members and within a couple of days I was banned... somebody "turned me in". I'd be very particular who I sent invitations to and just to be sure at the end of the invitation ask them please keep this PM private... and cross your fingers. IF for what ever reason they ban you, you can get back using a "how to" on this thread.
 
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Steven

Member
I've already been banned, but only for asking why they were deleting my post when I hadn't broken any rules. It's okay though, I was already loosing interest in that forum. The members were great, but it was overly moderated and not a relaxed atmosphere to be in. Anyway, I'm seeing what I can do to get Rebel and jfc removed as moderators with Vertiscope, the owners of the site.

As for getting back on the site, I will do that if I need to but for now I can still monitor it if I need information, but thanks Randy.
 

ofdave

Member
I have sent my thoughts to Verticalscope more than once
[email protected]
I sent them and heard from "Angela B"
"Thank you for your feedback and opinions, and we will address these accordingly."
you could also sign in as a new member , post your thoughts-and get immediately banned
I am certain rebel and jfc have been spoken to about their behavior-they toned it down for a while but are headed back to the same old ways
I'm Happy here but wish we had a bit more dialog other than between the handful of us
 

randy1149

New member
I think your right ofdave about Rebel and jfc getting spoken too. Rebel took down his "non-political" icons and avatars. But sooner of later the old Leopard spots never change will kick in and it will be back to business as usual.

I'm happy here also, it's a lot better thinking back a couple of months when 2 posts a month was high traffic. Although I scan thru the other forum I will not contribute by posting. And you do need to be a member to open up pix and videos, other than that I wouldn't register.
 
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casper

New member
I'm with Woodswoman too. If they want to come here they will. There's room enough for both forums, I don't think it's a competition here. There's good folks on both places. I feel freer to speak my mind here than there. That's a good thing. I really don't take much personally. I'm on a blog outside that would be considered very liberal, oddly enough for me, and trust me if I wasn't thick skinned or didn't want to learn and debate opposing views it would be all out an ego trash. There are very strong socialist or very far liberal left views and writers there. I just like to hear them and ponder their views or sometimes give it right back. ��kind of feel the same way about the other forum. Strong opinionated folks who simply don't know the art of civil social discourse and conversation without getting all bent out of shape. That's what brought probably the majority of us here. That's why the conversation is better here I think. Just my 1.5 cents worth.

I also agree with ofdave. I'd like to see more folks post about the bike, or even other stuff in a nice and respectful way. But you can't make anyone do so so it is what it is, and I think we have to give it some time. Because of the sheer postings over there I think it maybe hard to bring up subjects we already know alot about. Now if we could somehow get new owners to get here to bring a different fresh view I think that would be enormously helpful.
 

MJC

Super Moderator
I do not think this forum will ever be big. If you are looking at joining a forum, what do you look for? The other forum is a FOR PROFIT Forum, owned by a big time forum company, their main thing is making money. They know what people looking to join a forum want and how to take advantage of add space, google placement, etc. I do not think this forum spends any money on getting members or adds. If you want to tell people about this forum, tell them, everywhere! Not just at the other forum, tell them on facebook, and wherever you go on the net. One thing I think hurts this forum (in a way) is members talking about that other forum. If you come here and some how do not know about that other forum, and see so many posts about it, you are going to want to check them out, just to see what is up with them. I think this forum needs a folder just for talking about the other forum and keep it for members only. The rest of this forum should be about the ctx700 and the people who ride them. I have read so many posts here about how great the other forum is, and how much better it could be if it was not for their moderators. Do you think after reading that I would not go right back to the other forum and read though their posts? I do. And just by doing that, they get more hits, more add money, and grow bigger. You do not have to post on that forum for them to make money, just being there is making them money. If you want to grow this forum, email (PM) your friends (on that other forum), facebook or wherever and tell them about how great this forum is and why. And stop going to that other forum, and posting how great it is, it is not great, it has become ruled by moderators who tell lies, say things that are made up, and I could go on and on......The members over there will see it for themselves over time, that is why the owners keep spending money on adds to grow membership. If you look at how many new members they have each week, it is say 10, but the member of posting is down, a hand fill of the same people do most of the posting. What keeps them going is members who just stop by and read then leave. So tell your friends this is the forum where you can stop by read and put your ideas, ask questions, and help others......that is what people want, without the BS of the moderators. And I may add, that is what makes this forum great!
 

RedBaronRider

New member
Phil Reed sent me an invite and i joined.

I must have missed all the drama on the other site. *shrug*

Its always nice to have more than one forum to visit!
 

Merlin III

New member
Phil Reed sent me an invite and i joined.

I must have missed all the drama on the other site. *shrug*

Its always nice to have more than one forum to visit!

Brenda, You missed it because you are riding all the time. You need to cut that out (not)! :)

You should post some of the good stuff you post on FB concurrently on this site. :)
 

Steven

Member
Phil Reed sent me an invite and i joined.

I must have missed all the drama on the other site. *shrug*

Its always nice to have more than one forum to visit!

The reason you missed all the drama is because the moderators delete anything that makes them look bad and then threaten the individuals in PM's. I've never seen anyone misbehaving myself so I understand why you didn't. I mentioned this to Vertiscope too. The odd thing was that I was banned, not for breaking any rules but for questioning why they were deleting posts. I know I am repeating myself, sorry. BTW, I've always enjoyed your posts and your pictures. Thanks.

Everyone here brought up good points.

It's more relaxed here, but we do need to talk about the CTX more. OH!, and more pictures too! Speaking of that, I bought a new camera and lens, but I'll start another thread on that.
 

Merlin III

New member
I would be remiss if I didn't mention that Brenda (RedBaronRider) does some awesome ride conditions reports and videos for North Georgia on FB. If you are ever in that area she is a must contact to make ahead of time and maybe even real time. From what I can ascertain, she rides more than she works. LOL
 

RedBaronRider

New member
Hahaha, @Merlin III, If only there were a single tool with multiple integrations! I am finding that I am working hard to have time to ride, and then I don't really have time to create a lot of content to post (i.e. to edit video). I will certainly try to dedicate some time to creating valuable content, and if I do, I will certainly share it here!
 

RedBaronRider

New member
Yes, if anyone is heading to North Georgia, there is GREAT RIDING there and I'm happy to lead you on the Six Gap, aka Dragon Eyes ride, which is 713 curves in 77 miles and a three-patch ride in and of itself. The Gauntlet GA is there, too. I don't like the Gauntlet that much (to me it is basically the best couple roads of the Six Gap plus a few roads at the GA/NC border that bring you past the Biker Barn and the Copperhead lodge, who sponsor the ride - smart marketing move), but it is a patch ride, too.
 

randy1149

New member
Old Rebel is over there defending his position that you don't need ABS and if you where a good rider you wouldn't need it. Paragraphs like this:
Again, ABS doesn't activate until you lock up! At that point it is already too late. That boils down to user error before you locked it up. Most will never admit it, but they have failed at doing something and that lock up is the result. Your skill means everything on a bike! Most accidents are user error, very rarely is there an actual unavoidable accident.

Shanghai Dan comes back with this gem:
Methinks you've never driven anything with ABS and do not understand what it does...

I bet Rebel is throwing his grandmother down the stairs after being told he doesn't know $hit about ABS... good job Dan.

Ares301 posted another gem to Rebel
You have a real gaps in education.
Watch this training video: "Bambi on the ice w/o ABS".
and gave him a lesson at the level of intelligence Rebel could understand... a Bambi cartoon video.
 
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Merlin III

New member
It isn't Dan's first run in with Rebel. I am surprised Dan doesn't check in here? Rebel, IMO, like many of us, knows a lot about motorcycles, but no one knows everything. A real expert will admit it when he or she is wrong. It isn't a mortal sin to admit you are wrong, but Rebel and Jcf, or whatever his name is, have a hard time admitting they are wrong occasionally. :)
 

Steven

Member
Guys I was just thinking...


I know that probably some people think that since this is a CTX700 forum that that is all we should talk about. The question I have to ask is, should we limit ourselves just to that?

There is much more to our lives than just the CTX. Some of us own other bikes and what we do with our bikes varies, but what much of what we do can be done with any bike, not just the CTX, yet we limit ourselves to speaking about those things only when we do it on a CTX. One of the biggest problems with taking that path is that the CTX700 will not be made forever and some of us will move on to other bikes. Eventually that means the end of the forum and an end of us as forum friends.

Up to this point, this forum is what we make it, thanks to the owner not putting limitations on us. We have an opportunity to create something special here, something that doesn't have to end because Honda creates a new model bike. We need a place that welcomes everyone, not just those who own the CTX700. The worst that could happen is that the forum name would have to change. Eventually, discussion about the CTX would fade, but by then the CTX would only be a memory, a past and discontinued model.

You're all intelligent people so let me ask you... At the rate we're going now and with the limited number of people who are members, where do you see this going in a year or two? Is this forum capable of surviving under those conditions?

There are a great many facets to owing a motorcycle. For some of us, it's our garage queen and for others, it's our work horse. Some of us like to go fast and live to tell the story and others just want to cruise around and experience the world at a slow pace. For others, it's about hitting that open road. These are things that anyone can do on any motorcycle. These are the things that we enjoy about owning a bike. BTW, If I hadn't bought the bike, I wouldn't be taking the trip next year and so I would never had got a better camera. In that sense, it is related to the CTX. I “had” to put that in. (smile)

All that aside, the most important question is, do we want to confine our discussion specifically to the CTX knowing where it will lead or do we want to expand our horizons and help this forum evolve and endure into a meeting place for diversity and yet like minded people. Let me ask one more (rhetorical) question. If I were a person who just bought the CTX and I had to choose between this forum and the other forum, which one do you think I would choose? So, do we compete toe to toe or do we offer something different? I believe the question answers itself.

This a just food for thought, nothing more. I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but I felt this should be said.
 

ponydrvr

Member
I've been a member on this site for some time several other sites for even longer. Not a significant contributor, but a regular reader. It seems to me that if you really want this to be something different from the other forum then it's time to leave the drama behind. It is imploding slowing now and will likely gain speed in time.

I would suggest some guidelines along these thoughts:



Post stuff you wouldn't mind having your mother read; i.e., use restraint.

Avoid certain subjects altogether. Posts related to internet virus(s), religion, politics, gun control, abortion, impressionistic painting, or other subjects unrelated to motorcycling are taboo on this forum. Although many forum members have strong opinions on such subjects, this list is not the place to talk about them unless the discussion also pertains specifically to riding.

Be polite. Irreverence is fine, vehement disagreement is expected, and the occasional unsupported conclusion is inevitable, but personal attacks on other forum members are not appropriate. Remember that e-mail isn't like being there. People can't hear your tone of voice or see your body language - hence the development of the smile:)and frown :( conventions. But you also need to think about your writing style and make sure that your message conveys what you want to say clearly and simply, without making it appear that you are more of a jerk or a whiner than you actually are. :)

I give this as food for thought.
 

Woodswoman

Member
Good discussion.

The forum owner should have a say. Indeed, practically the say, since I think he's the only administrator/moderator. And I'll bet that he's footing the bill to keep the place running.

I've got opinions about what I feel is an appropriate 'tone' for a bike forum, but I'll keep them to myself for now, waiting for the forum owner to chime in. His house, his rules.
 
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